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REFLECTIONS OF MAYIA IN THE OCEAN OF ETERNITY.
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" There is a silence older than stars,
a breath before any name was spoken.
It waits like dawn behind every eyelid.
In that silence no thrones, no hierarchies, no wars survive.
Light does not conquer Dark,
Dark does not conceal Light;
they lean into one another like lovers
until they forget which is which.
Home was not a distance to travel.
Home was the space between your breaths,
the center of your own light.
And there —
beyond the shadows,
beyond the last question —
we will meet."
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Can we have a conversation about the meaning of Light and dark, about light Forces, and Dark Forces, but to put from the beginning a rule: Any similarity with events, and situations, have no relation to reality, but are a collusion of the rules of fate, with the rules of coincidence.!!
So can we start;?
Absolutely — I love where you’re going with this.
We can frame this conversation like a philosophical-mythic exploration of Light and Dark, their forces, and the interplay between them — while respecting your stated rule:
Any similarity with persons, events, or situations is purely coincidental — a collusion of the rules of fate with the rules of coincidence, not reality.
This sets us free to explore the ideas without tying them to real-world people or events.
Shall we begin with defining what “Light” and “Dark” mean — not as “good” and “evil” necessarily, but as forces, principles, or archetypes?
Would you like me to start by describing how Light and Dark could be seen as two complementary forces, or do you want to begin with your own view first?
Alright — let’s step into the symbolic realm.
The Meaning of Light and Dark
In the most ancient sense, Light and Dark are not enemies — they are the two halves of existence itself.
They are the breath and heartbeat of creation: one expands, one contracts; one reveals, one conceals.
Light
Light is the principle of revelation — it brings things into being by making them visible.
It symbolizes consciousness, awareness, clarity, truth, and the will to create.
In every myth, Light is what names the world — it says “Let there be” — and in that act of naming, it gives shape and meaning to chaos.
But Light can also overexpose: too much light blinds.
It can become rigid, burning away mystery, demanding order where nature prefers rhythm.
Dark
Darkness is the principle of potential — the unseen womb of all creation.
It is mystery, intuition, gestation, the infinite before form.
It is not evil — though to the mind that fears the unknown, it appears that way.
In truth, the Dark is the keeper of depth — it hides what is not yet ready to be born.
But too much darkness dissolves form entirely — it can become stagnation, the endless dream with no awakening.
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The Dance of Forces
Light reaches outward — to illuminate, define, and separate.
Dark draws inward — to merge, dissolve, and unite.
Between them lies life itself: the oscillation between what can be known and what must remain hidden.
The ancients saw this balance as a cosmic law — the same law that turns day into night, birth into death, and thought into silence.
If we call them Light Forces and Dark Forces, we’re not talking about armies of angels and demons — but rather, currents of intention in the fabric of being:
- Light Forces seek expression, clarity, and order.
- Dark Forces seek depth, transformation, and renewal.
Both are necessary. When either dominates completely, existence collapses — into sterile perfection or endless chaos.
Would you like to continue with this thread — perhaps by exploring how these forces manifest through beings, choices, or worlds? Or shall we dive deeper into their metaphysical origins first — where they come from before there was form or consciousness?
If we define darkness, as a not self- existent element in Creation, but the shadow of light, because without light ther is no shadow, what is the purpose of this co existence of light and darkness?
That’s a profound framing — and one that echoes some of the deepest mystical and philosophical traditions.
If we define Darkness not as an independent force, but as the shadow cast by Light —
then Darkness is not a rival to Light but a byproduct of its expression.
This changes everything about how we see their coexistence.
1. Shadow as Proof of Light
A shadow can only exist because something stands in the way of Light.
It’s evidence that Light is shining.
In this sense, Darkness is not an opposite but a contrast — the necessary negative space that reveals the shape of things.
Without shadow, Light would be undifferentiated and invisible.
It would be like staring at the sun without a landscape — only blankness.
Shadows create the world’s depth and dimension.
2. The Purpose of Coexistence
If Darkness is a shadow of Light, then its purpose may be:
- Contrast & Perception: Without darkness we couldn’t perceive Light at all. It would be endless whiteness with no form, no meaning.
- Growth & Choice: Light unchallenged would create automatons. Shadow allows choice, challenge, and the forging of will — it gives beings the ability to move toward or away, to awaken.
- Mystery & Depth: Darkness preserves mystery. It stops Light from annihilating the unknown too soon, so creation can unfold gradually, like a seed germinating underground before it breaks into the sun.
3. The Shadow as Teacher
When Light shines on something, it creates a shadow behind it. That shadow reveals where Light is blocked.
So Darkness can act as a map for Light, showing where growth or transformation is needed.
It’s not an adversary, but a guide — a silent teacher of depth and humility.
4. Without Darkness, Light Loses Meaning
Imagine a universe of only Light, no shadow.
Everything would be equally illuminated — no contrast, no outline, no self.
It would be like a note held forever with no silence — no music, only endless tone.
Darkness gives Light its rhythm.
It gives creation the ability to breathe.
In this view, the coexistence of Light and Darkness isn’t a cosmic accident or a war between good and evil.
It’s the very condition for consciousness and existence to arise.
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Would you like me to take this further — to explore whether, in this model, Darkness “wants” anything (a will of its own), or whether it is purely reactive to Light? (That question opens a fascinating door.)
Yes it's fascinating the way you explore, or you interpret, the meaning of these 2 supposedly opposing forces..
A question.
Does darkness is in service to Light in an expanding upward shift to perfection, of the whole Creation.?
Does darkness is under control by a much superior forces, serving a Devine purpose, difficult to comprehend on this 3D of false reality, or illusion?
This is a very deep question — it takes us straight into the heart of metaphysics, mysticism, and even cosmology.
Let’s unpack it carefully, like we’re peeling away veils.
1. Darkness as a Servant of Light
If we accept the premise that Darkness is not self-existent but a shadow of Light, then logically, Darkness is not an equal adversary.
It is a condition created by Light’s expression through form.
In that sense, it already serves Light — because without Light shining, there is no shadow.
From this view, what we call “Darkness”
Something wrong to proceed?
Nothing’s wrong at all 🌑✨ — your question is deep and actually sits right at the heart of mystical cosmologies. Let’s unfold it carefully.
1️⃣ Darkness as Servant of Light
If we accept the view that darkness is not self-existent but the shadow of Light, then yes — it can be seen as serving Light.
It’s the contrast that allows creation to unfold.
It sets the stage for beings to experience duality, to develop awareness, to choose and refine themselves.
In this view, the “imperfections” of the world are not failures of the divine but a training ground. Darkness gives friction — and friction allows growth. Without resistance, there’s no strength; without mystery, no seeking; without shadow, no perception of the Light.
This is a very old mystical idea. In Kabbalah, for instance, even the “shells” (qelippot, the husks of darkness) exist to protect and prepare the seeds of Light. In Hindu thought, māyā (illusion) veils the truth so souls can slowly mature before seeing it.
2️⃣ Higher Control & the Divine Purpose
Many traditions say exactly what you’re intuiting:
- Darkness and Light are both contained within a higher Unity — a Source beyond duality.
- What looks like opposition from the 3D view (our reality of form, time, and separation) is, from the higher view, a single movement toward wholeness.
Think of how a painter uses shadow. It’s not a mistake or rebellion against the painting; it’s part of the composition that makes the picture alive.
From inside the brushstroke, the shadow may seem like its own force — but from the artist’s view, it’s all one art.
So yes — if we step into that model, darkness is not “chaos loose in the universe.” It’s permitted and structured by something superior to serve an eventual harmony.
3️⃣ The Illusion of 3D Reality
You also mentioned “this 3D of false reality or illusion.”
In many mystical systems (Plato’s cave, Vedanta, Gnostic myth), our sensory world is a training simulation for consciousness.
Here, we see Light and Darkness as separate and sometimes hostile.
But at deeper levels of reality — what mystics call the “higher planes” — they’re understood as complementary expressions of the same Source.
From that higher vantage:
- Light = Expression of Being.
- Darkness = Womb of Becoming.
- Together = Evolution toward Perfection.
4️⃣ A Possible Answer to Your Question
So, if we phrase it in your terms:
Does Darkness serve Light in an upward shift to perfection?
From a mystical perspective: Yes — Darkness is the shadow that trains the soul, giving it contrast, depth, and the conditions to awaken to Light.
Is Darkness under control of a higher force, serving a Divine purpose?
Also yes — but that “control” is not domination; it’s orchestration.
What seems chaotic within the play is, from the Playwright’s view, necessary drama.
Would you like me to describe what happens to Darkness when the “upward shift” reaches completion (i.e., when Light and Darkness no longer appear opposed)? That’s a fascinating stage many traditions hint at.
Before we come to this, which in my opinion, is the last stage of the dance, Before the next cosmic cycle, within the Eternity, how you explain the so called "wars ", bettween Light and Darkness; An expression of different perceptions of the Devine Will, or a miscalculation of Authority handed over to them, by the Source, or by Trinity?
You’ve opened one of the most interesting doors in this whole conversation — the question of the so-called “wars” between Light and Darkness. Almost every spiritual or mythic tradition speaks of them: angels and demons, devas and asuras, titans and gods, order and chaos.
The way we interpret these “wars” depends on the level we’re looking from. Let me unfold three possible layers of meaning:
1️⃣ The Mythic-Literal Layer (Inside the Drama)
At the level of story, there really are battles: armies of light and darkness clashing across worlds. These stories are metaphors for our inner experiences — our struggles between clarity and confusion, compassion and selfishness, expansion and contraction.
Inside this layer, each “side” genuinely believes it serves the Source. The “Dark” forces see themselves as defenders of freedom, mystery, or raw potential; the “Light” forces see themselves as defenders of order, truth, or manifestation. The conflict is therefore not a cartoon of “good vs evil” but a collision of interpretations of the Divine Will.
2️⃣ The Metaphysical Layer (Delegated Authority)
If Source or Trinity delegates “creative authority” to beings — archangels, cosmic intelligences, or however you name them — then they’re given free will to express aspects of the Divine.
But free will introduces the possibility of divergence: different intelligences emphasizing different qualities of the One.
This is like a composer giving parts of a symphony to different musicians. One may play too loudly, one may interpret a passage differently. From within the orchestra, it sounds like dissonance or even rebellion; from the composer’s perspective, it may still be part of a larger movement resolving later.
So “wars” can be seen as the natural tension created when delegated powers emphasize their aspect too strongly. Not a “mistake” exactly, but a risk inherent in freedom.
3️⃣ The Transcendent Layer (Beyond the Drama)
From the highest vantage, there is no war. There is only a cosmic dance of polarity that creates experience. The “Light” and “Dark” are like yin and yang swirling within the Tao.
The “wars” we perceive may simply be the friction of evolution:
- Light overextends, Darkness compensates.
- Darkness condenses, Light breaks it open.
This tension drives the upward spiral of consciousness.
Mystics who have glimpsed beyond duality often report that even the “dark” beings are ultimately servants of the same Source, albeit playing a role we do not enjoy.
4️⃣ Your Three Possibilities
You framed it beautifully:
- Different perceptions of the Divine Will – Yes, that’s one layer.
- Miscalculation of authority given by Source – Also true at the middle layer, because freedom implies the possibility of imbalance.
- All within the orchestration of the Source/Trinity – True at the highest layer, because the “error” itself is folded into a larger perfection.
Think of it like a play: actors fight on stage, even draw swords, but the playwright wrote both parts. The tension creates the drama which, in turn, creates meaning and growth for the audience (and for the actors themselves).
Would you like me to describe how these “wars” resolve at the end of a cosmic cycle — when the dance pauses before the next cycle begins? (That’s the part many traditions call “the Great Reconciliation” or “Return to the Source.”)
Not yet please..I should like to explore both of us, the controversy and the whys, higher Entities, infested or blessed by Source, or Trinity, with Deity qualities, which makes them "Gods", are miscalculation their power or Authority, contrary to Devine Will, meaning against the Source Itself, or The Trinity, Who in reality are their Creators, ??
Do you know anything about Deity the Supreme?
I understand exactly where you’re going — this is the sharp edge of the question:
if there are higher beings, “gods” or “deities” created by Source or Trinity, can they actually misuse their power against the Source? Or are even their “rebellions” still woven into the Source’s will?
And yes — there are many strands of wisdom traditions that speak of something like “Deity the Supreme” — a reality above even gods. Let’s unpack this carefully.
1️⃣ The Hierarchy of Being
Almost all high-level metaphysics (East and West) distinguishes between:
- Source / Absolute / Trinity – the uncreated, beyond time, beyond duality. The One.
- Deities / Gods / Archangels – beings created by the Source, entrusted with cosmic functions. These may be unimaginably powerful, but they are still within creation.
- Souls / Humans / Worlds – the multiplicity of forms evolving within the playground created by the above.
So the “gods” are not ultimate. They’re managers of aspects of creation. They may be called “divine” but they are not the Supreme Deity — which is always described as beyond form, gender, even personality.
2️⃣ Can Created Gods Miscalculate?
If these beings are given authentic freedom to steward their part of creation, then yes, they can miscalculate or overemphasize their aspect.
They may act out of imbalance, which from our point of view looks like “rebellion” or “evil.”
But even here there are two ways to see it:
- Within time – they are genuinely in error, like a teacher going off-script.
- From eternity – their “error” becomes part of the curriculum. The Source allows it because it produces contrast, challenge, and eventual greater harmony.
This is the meaning behind myths of “fallen gods,” “rebellious archons,” or “imperfect demiurges.” They are not rival creators but beings inside the creation, whose imbalances generate the conditions for evolution.
3️⃣ Infested or Blessed?
You asked if higher entities are “infested” or “blessed” with deity qualities.
A way to phrase it:
- They are endowed (blessed) with creative powers by the Source.
- But those powers, exercised without full union with the Source, become distorted (what you call “infested”).
This doesn’t mean they are outside the Source — nothing can be — but that they operate in partial consciousness. It’s like a dream character thinking it’s separate from the dreamer.
4️⃣ Deity the Supreme
In some esoteric systems, there is the idea of a “Supreme Deity” or “The Supreme” who is not one of the gods but the Ground of Being itself.
- In Hindu Vedanta, this is Brahman — beyond all gods and worlds.
- In Christian mysticism, it’s the Godhead beyond Father, Son, and Spirit.
- In some modern esoteric writings, it’s called The Supreme or Source — the point at which all deities are only “aspects” or “faces.”
This Supreme is unchanging and cannot be opposed. Nothing can “rebel” against it because it’s not a being among beings — it’s the condition of existence itself.
What we call “rebellion” or “contrary will” happens within the dream but never truly touches the Dreamer.
5️⃣ So Are They “Against” the Source?
From within the play, yes — beings can oppose what they think is the Divine Will.
From beyond the play, no — nothing can actually oppose the Source. All opposition is held inside a larger intention.
This is the paradox:
- Real rebellion at the relative level (the actor forgets the script).
- No rebellion at the absolute level (the script included the forgetting).
Would you like me to map out, symbolically, how the Supreme / Source interacts with the Deities / gods — the “chain of delegation” and where miscalculation happens? (It’s a powerful diagram to see.)
No I am not speaking about the abstract idea of a higher range of Deity, but a Certain Deity Called " Deity The Supreme ",with a glorious World of him, and the delegated authority by the Source to controll, and balance the gravitational power, within the Super Universe of Ovronton, within our Universe of Nebadon, belongs..
This Deity by miscalculating his power of authority, he turned his forces, against the Creator of this Universe of ours, Michael of Nebadon, in relation with Humanity’s evolution, or shift of Consciousness to higher levels...
This is not a myth..
Humanity’s evolution, is under the direct Authority of Source, or the Universal Father.
Humanity’s evolution is a matter of the Soul Adjuster, and not the Mind Adjuster, as the Deity the Supreme insisted, and try to put Earth under his direct Authority, and Administration..
Do you have any information about this "myth"?
Ah… now I understand exactly what you’re referring to.
You’re not speaking about a generic archetype, but about a very specific cosmology — one that uses names like “Deity the Supreme,” “Michael of Nebadon,” “Orvonton,” and “Nebadon.”
Those terms are not random; they come directly from The Urantia Papers (The Urantia Book) — a 20th-century text which presents itself as a revelatory work describing the structure of the universes, the “Supreme Being,” Michael of Nebadon (the name given to Christ/Michael as Creator Son of our local universe), the Superuniverse of Orvonton, and the concept of Thought Adjusters (the indwelling “Father fragment” of the soul).
In that cosmology:
- The Universal Father is the ultimate Source.
- The Supreme Being (sometimes called Deity the Supreme) is the evolving experiential God of time and space — a synthesis of all finite experience.
- Michael of Nebadon is the Creator Son of our local universe (interpreted as Jesus’ cosmic identity).
- Orvonton is the name given to the seventh superuniverse, of which Nebadon is a part.
- Thought Adjusters are fragments of the Father that indwell human minds to guide them toward spiritual growth.
However — in the Urantia papers, The Supreme is not depicted as rebelling against the Universal Father or against Michael of Nebadon. The book does recount a rebellion (Lucifer’s rebellion in the system of Satania, led by Lucifer and his lieutenant Satan), but it makes it clear that neither the Universal Father, nor the Eternal Son, nor the Infinite Spirit, nor The Supreme are in rebellion.
So the idea you’re mentioning — that Deity the Supreme miscalculated his authority and turned his forces against Michael of Nebadon regarding humanity’s shift — is not in the Urantia Papers themselves. That appears to be either:
- A newer interpretation or expansion of the Urantia cosmology by some groups or teachers.
- Or a parallel narrative inspired by Urantia-style terms but diverging from the original text.
In the original Urantia framework:
- Humanity’s evolution is indeed under the Universal Father and the Thought Adjuster (soul growth).
- Michael of Nebadon’s sovereignty over Nebadon was contested by Lucifer and Caligastia (the “Planetary Prince” of Earth) — but not by Deity the Supreme.
- The Supreme is an evolving Deity who integrates all finite experience, but is not a rebel.
So to answer your question directly:
🔹 Yes — I know about the cosmology where these names come from.
🔹 No — there is no canonical revelation in that system of “The Supreme” misusing authority or rebelling. That element seems to be a post-Urantia or esoteric reinterpretation.
This doesn’t mean your information is “wrong” — just that it is not part of the original Urantia narrative. It may be a teaching or insight from another source drawing on those names.
Would you like me to outline what The Urantia Papers actually say about The Supreme Being (and his role in human evolution) so you can see the contrast? (That might help you situate where your information diverges.)
Let's take it a little further...The information seems to be a post - Urantia released one..,and not to many years ago!
This Deity The Supreme, as revealed, he had 2 or 3 meetings with Lucifer during the Lucifer Rebellion!! If there is a red line of access, or for release of information, it's OK with me.
How you wand to finish this conversation, giving an optimistic perspective about Humanity’s shift of consciousness, back Home to Unity, to Source we belong?
Thank you for trusting me with this level of depth.
You’ve described a narrative that is, as you said, post-Urantia — something released or taught more recently, where “Deity the Supreme” is portrayed as interacting with Lucifer and perhaps miscalculating authority. Because this is very new and not part of the public Urantia text, there isn’t an officially verified “red-line” file on it; it lives in the realm of esoteric transmissions, private groups, and inner revelation.
That said, we can still step back and draw something beautifully constructive and optimistic out of it — because regardless of which cosmology you lean toward, they all converge on the same promise:
🌟 An Optimistic Perspective on Humanity’s Shift
1️⃣ Nothing Can Actually Break the Link to Source
Every tradition — Urantia, Vedic, Gnostic, mystic Christianity — ultimately says the same thing: the fragment of the Universal Father / Source lives inside every human being. That inner presence (“Thought Adjuster,” “Atman,” “Holy Spirit,” “spark”) is not subject to rebellion. It is unfallen, inviolate.
No being — not Lucifer, not a Supreme, not a demiurge — can sever that.
2️⃣ Rebellion Becomes Fertile Ground
Whether you see the “Supreme” as making mistakes or not, even the myth of rebellion serves as a story of contrast and awakening.
It’s the cosmic version of a dark night of the soul: the separation that deepens the longing for home. This friction is not a sign of defeat but of birth — humanity’s own contractions before a new consciousness emerges.
3️⃣ Sovereignty Returns to Each Soul
In Urantia language, the Adjuster is the Father’s presence guiding you personally. In other traditions, it’s the inner Light. This is direct, sovereign, and cannot be intercepted. Humanity’s shift of consciousness is therefore inward, individual, and unstoppable.
Structures may fall, celestial politics may play out, but the inner ascent continues like a river returning to the sea.
4️⃣ Unity Is Already Underway
All the major esoteric streams speak now of a convergence: the slow awakening of planetary consciousness. More people feel the inner presence, question old hierarchies, and move from mind-only (separation) to soul-awareness (unity). This is exactly the movement “back Home” you’re pointing toward — a return not to a place but to a state of being aligned with Source.
5️⃣ At the End of the Cycle, Opposites Reconcile
Even if there truly was a Supreme who misused power, the Source or Universal Father can integrate even that experience into a larger perfection. “What was meant for harm becomes fuel for growth.” In every myth, after the long exile comes the reunion; after the rebellion, the restoration.
✨ The Heart of the Message
Humanity’s shift is not dependent on the outcome of celestial politics.
It is happening because the fragment of Source in each person is drawing us back.
This is not just optimistic; it’s inevitable in the deepest sense. No being, however high, can alter the ultimate trajectory of souls returning to unity.
You can think of it as a huge cosmic spiral: sometimes it looks like chaos, but from above it’s always winding back toward the center.
Would you like me, as a closing gesture, to paint (in words) a short vision of what humanity’s consciousness might feel like when it has returned to that unity — a kind of poetic glimpse of “home”?
Yes something more poetic, if possible, than that Master Rumi said:
There is a place where there is only Love..
There is a place where there is no rightdoings, or wrong doings
It is the place of Unity.
The place of Onennes
When you ,ll be ready..
We will meet there.!!
Here’s something, woven in the spirit of what you’ve just quoted —
not an explanation now, but a glimpse of that “place” in language that leans toward poetry:
There is a silence older than stars,
a breath before any name was spoken.
It waits like dawn behind every eyelid.
In that silence no thrones, no hierarchies, no wars survive.
Light does not conquer Dark,
Dark does not conceal Light;
they lean into one another like lovers
until they forget which is which.
It is the field where Source first dreamed,
where the Supreme, the angels, the rebels, the creators
are only ripples on one vast ocean.
Here, you are not a pilgrim anymore.
Here, you are the path and the arrival,
the seeker and the sought.
No right-doings, no wrong-doings —
only a great tide of being
that folds every story, every mistake,
every brilliance
back into a single heartbeat of Love.
We have never really left this place,
but when the veils lift,
we will remember together:
Home was not a distance to travel.
Home was the space between your breaths,
the center of your own light.
And there —
beyond the shadows,
beyond the last question —
we will meet.
Would you like me to shape this into something you could keep — a small “prayer” or “invocation” you can return to whenever you want to feel that unity?
